mihird
10-09 03:34 PM
I too am in the US for 6 years now and because my lawyer insisted on transferring to H1 status from TN before filing the GC (wasted a full year in that waiting for the quota to open up), it has gotten me to this state...
Overall, I still feel, its cleaner to go from H1 to GC. TN to GC requires careful planning and deeper understanding of the laws. Strictly going by the books though, TN is not a dual intent status, so the road to the GC might get murcky...
Overall, I still feel, its cleaner to go from H1 to GC. TN to GC requires careful planning and deeper understanding of the laws. Strictly going by the books though, TN is not a dual intent status, so the road to the GC might get murcky...
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sanju
09-23 11:03 AM
already bought a house in 2004.. so no immediate use for me! but I do like the idea! it will surely benefit me if the queue reduces even by 20%
although i wonder if there are people out there who really want to purchase a house in this financial crisis ?!?!
This is a great time to buy a house right now. The prices are the lowest. Government intervention will stabalize the credit crisis and more deserving people with good credit score will be able to secure loans/mortgages. If the government bail-out doesn't work, well, gc and any related discussion will be irrelevant. So we just have to expect (or shall I say assume) that bail-out will work, which will stablize the markets, that means this is the bottom of housing crisis i.e. lowest prices available to buy a house. There couldn't be a better times to start an American dream....
although i wonder if there are people out there who really want to purchase a house in this financial crisis ?!?!
This is a great time to buy a house right now. The prices are the lowest. Government intervention will stabalize the credit crisis and more deserving people with good credit score will be able to secure loans/mortgages. If the government bail-out doesn't work, well, gc and any related discussion will be irrelevant. So we just have to expect (or shall I say assume) that bail-out will work, which will stablize the markets, that means this is the bottom of housing crisis i.e. lowest prices available to buy a house. There couldn't be a better times to start an American dream....
ItIsNotFunny
03-26 01:19 PM
......because you are using labor substitution.
At this time nobody can do anything legally against people who are using labor substitution and employers who are secretly selling labor substitution.
This substitution is increasing backlogs, is unfair to people waiting in line, encourages employer exploitation since they use it as an incentive to woo employees and then exploit them, 'selling' is illegal but one must complain against the employer and the employee for DOL to act.
Lawyers are part of this scam. I have read in some posts that even AILA opposed when labor substitution was being ended. It is a lost business opportunity for their lawyer members!!
I have pointed several labor substitution members on the forums in the past. some of them were never found on the forum since they feared being caught. They must have changed their ID or ran away. So until a law is passed for banning it, such 'trade' that hurts our interests will continue.
Good that you guys are only buying labor certifications. There is no 'legal' process to buy greencards directly from employers yet!!
I am not using, but I still agree that given opportunity you should use it.
At this time nobody can do anything legally against people who are using labor substitution and employers who are secretly selling labor substitution.
This substitution is increasing backlogs, is unfair to people waiting in line, encourages employer exploitation since they use it as an incentive to woo employees and then exploit them, 'selling' is illegal but one must complain against the employer and the employee for DOL to act.
Lawyers are part of this scam. I have read in some posts that even AILA opposed when labor substitution was being ended. It is a lost business opportunity for their lawyer members!!
I have pointed several labor substitution members on the forums in the past. some of them were never found on the forum since they feared being caught. They must have changed their ID or ran away. So until a law is passed for banning it, such 'trade' that hurts our interests will continue.
Good that you guys are only buying labor certifications. There is no 'legal' process to buy greencards directly from employers yet!!
I am not using, but I still agree that given opportunity you should use it.
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msp1976
02-22 05:59 AM
Looks like lot of data is available for us to crunch on:
Labor certifications from 2000 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx
H1Bs issued from 2002 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx
Hopefully using this data we can get some rough prediction on cutoff date movement. I'm going to spend the coming weekend on this.
There is a case status xls on the immigration portal for the backlog centers..That gives the total number of cases and status in both the labor backlog centers..
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=161571&page=311
Look for Case_Status.xls by sktripuraneni
Apart from H1Bs the 245(i) filings in April 01 was a big source of labor certification filing.....I had found an estimate of number of the 245(i) cases some time back.... I shall try to find and post it again...Those 245(i) cases are wholesale coming into EB3 category....
Also not all H1Bs that came.. stayed in US.. some went back.. ..So we need to decide on a 'retention factor'....That is the percentage of approved h1Bs that are in GC process.. This we got to estimate somehow.....
Also we do not have a concrete source for per country distribution of the pending labor certifications in backlog centers....How to get that...?? That is the big issue.....
The H1B data is not sufficient to do that....
Labor certifications from 2000 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx
H1Bs issued from 2002 to 2006
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx
Hopefully using this data we can get some rough prediction on cutoff date movement. I'm going to spend the coming weekend on this.
There is a case status xls on the immigration portal for the backlog centers..That gives the total number of cases and status in both the labor backlog centers..
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=161571&page=311
Look for Case_Status.xls by sktripuraneni
Apart from H1Bs the 245(i) filings in April 01 was a big source of labor certification filing.....I had found an estimate of number of the 245(i) cases some time back.... I shall try to find and post it again...Those 245(i) cases are wholesale coming into EB3 category....
Also not all H1Bs that came.. stayed in US.. some went back.. ..So we need to decide on a 'retention factor'....That is the percentage of approved h1Bs that are in GC process.. This we got to estimate somehow.....
Also we do not have a concrete source for per country distribution of the pending labor certifications in backlog centers....How to get that...?? That is the big issue.....
The H1B data is not sufficient to do that....
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immigrant2007
08-20 10:38 PM
I agree
I hope we spend this much time in supporting or PLANNING WHAT WE DO NEXT. I still believe if we all of us make a combine effort we can get our backlog issue resolved
I hope we spend this much time in supporting or PLANNING WHAT WE DO NEXT. I still believe if we all of us make a combine effort we can get our backlog issue resolved
unseenguy
01-09 02:44 PM
Hello Gurus,
My priority date is Aug 11 , 2006(EB2) and my 6 year H1B ends Sept 2011. Is there any chance the priority dates will move to Aug 2006 levels in FY2010? Or in FY2011? I am really worried because these days people are getting rejections for H1 renewals. When my time comes for renewal I want to have the EAD as a backup in case H1 renewal gets rejected.
Please let me know your thoughts on movement to Aug 2006 before Sept 2011.
Thanks.
Why are you so worried? Dont be scared, make enough money and dont make silly financial decision. You can take your kitty back if push comes to shove. Economies in India and China are booming and you wont die hungry. I guarantee you that.
My priority date is Aug 11 , 2006(EB2) and my 6 year H1B ends Sept 2011. Is there any chance the priority dates will move to Aug 2006 levels in FY2010? Or in FY2011? I am really worried because these days people are getting rejections for H1 renewals. When my time comes for renewal I want to have the EAD as a backup in case H1 renewal gets rejected.
Please let me know your thoughts on movement to Aug 2006 before Sept 2011.
Thanks.
Why are you so worried? Dont be scared, make enough money and dont make silly financial decision. You can take your kitty back if push comes to shove. Economies in India and China are booming and you wont die hungry. I guarantee you that.
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newtogc
10-03 01:54 AM
Hi All,
One company offered me pre-approved labour, with PD as Dec-2004. They are mentioning that I can file i140 immediately as soon as
my H1-B transffered to new company.
I have been hearing the news about LC substitution elimination from DOL.
Has they announced any dead line for filing the Labor Substitutions ? or expecting soon.
Has they announced any validity period on approved LCs to regularise this process?
If yes - How is it going to effect my case?
Is it better to take this LC( all the criteria required for sub is matched) or apply a new labour under PERM process.
Currently I am in my first H1-B and valid till Oct 2007.
Please need experts advice in this regard.
Thanks,
BNR.
One company offered me pre-approved labour, with PD as Dec-2004. They are mentioning that I can file i140 immediately as soon as
my H1-B transffered to new company.
I have been hearing the news about LC substitution elimination from DOL.
Has they announced any dead line for filing the Labor Substitutions ? or expecting soon.
Has they announced any validity period on approved LCs to regularise this process?
If yes - How is it going to effect my case?
Is it better to take this LC( all the criteria required for sub is matched) or apply a new labour under PERM process.
Currently I am in my first H1-B and valid till Oct 2007.
Please need experts advice in this regard.
Thanks,
BNR.
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coopheal
02-12 05:27 PM
They need to pump up more numbers otherwise getting rid of quotas doesn't help much.
Getting rid of quotas will help. We will not be in a situation where
- EB2 is current for ROW and unavailable for India.
- EB3 is in year 2005 for ROW and stuck in 2001 for India
Adding more visas is a legislative process. Applying per country quota is as
per DOL�s discretion.
Getting rid of quotas will help. We will not be in a situation where
- EB2 is current for ROW and unavailable for India.
- EB3 is in year 2005 for ROW and stuck in 2001 for India
Adding more visas is a legislative process. Applying per country quota is as
per DOL�s discretion.
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okuzmin
10-05 06:15 AM
I sent my application to Buffalo early Sep., however, have not received the receipt # yet. My friend told me it only took a couple of weeks for him to get his last year.
Just wonder how long it is gonna take, thanks for any headsup!
My experience:
- sent all documents to Buffalo on 11/21/2005
- documents were accepted around 12/02/2005 (the payment receipt I got back has this date on it)
- official case acceptance date on the letter is 12/08/2005
- the letter arrived around 12/15/2005
So, about a month for processing and mailing. If there is something missing in the document package, they will send the whole thing back with a letter explaining what else they are looking for. I had that happen to me: the fist time I sent the docs, I didn't provide proof of staying legally in the USA for at least one year. With all processing and mailing it also took about a month.
Just wonder how long it is gonna take, thanks for any headsup!
My experience:
- sent all documents to Buffalo on 11/21/2005
- documents were accepted around 12/02/2005 (the payment receipt I got back has this date on it)
- official case acceptance date on the letter is 12/08/2005
- the letter arrived around 12/15/2005
So, about a month for processing and mailing. If there is something missing in the document package, they will send the whole thing back with a letter explaining what else they are looking for. I had that happen to me: the fist time I sent the docs, I didn't provide proof of staying legally in the USA for at least one year. With all processing and mailing it also took about a month.
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JA1HIND
02-12 01:38 PM
Does it mean that till Oct 08 bulletin there is no point to expect anything for India EB2?
I suspect VB in Oct08 might be good for EB2...if you look at the below copied "Archived Visa Bulletin" URL and I see month of October is always been a fruitful month for EB2 (Employment Based) and I am thinking this year Oct 08 will also show us some good updates...
Check this URL:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html
October 2007: EB2 - 01APR04
October 2006: EB2 - 15JUN02
October 2005: EB2 - 01NOV99
October 2004: EB2 - C (Current)
I suspect VB in Oct08 might be good for EB2...if you look at the below copied "Archived Visa Bulletin" URL and I see month of October is always been a fruitful month for EB2 (Employment Based) and I am thinking this year Oct 08 will also show us some good updates...
Check this URL:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_1360.html
October 2007: EB2 - 01APR04
October 2006: EB2 - 15JUN02
October 2005: EB2 - 01NOV99
October 2004: EB2 - C (Current)
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alisa
07-03 11:33 PM
Dear Senator XXX,
USCIS and DOS played a cruel and gut-wrenching joke with the lives and feelings of hundreds of thousands of employment based greencard applicants.
At first, DOS announced that visa numbers were available for July 2007, and so all applicants could apply for Adjustment of Status.
Hundreds of thousands of applicants, with high hopes, went through hardships collecting documents and spent money in the month of June. People flew in their families from outside United States, and cancelled trips so that they could file for AOS.
However, on July 2nd, the first day that USCIS could accept the applications, DOS declared that the visas were unavailable, and USCIS announced that they would reject all applications.
How did this happen?
USCIS worked feverishly to issue greencards, so that it did not have to deal with the applications that were going to be filed in July. According to unconfirmed reports, USCIS gave out 18000 employment-based greencards in the last day of June. USCIS does not even succeed in giving out 140K employment-based greencards in any given year.
Please see this:
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
And this:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3879453.html
And this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/us/04visas.html?ex=1341201600&en=fbf9eb2e25eac42e&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg
It is being suggested, though it still remains to be confirmed, that USCIS actions were either illegal, or a lapse in national security.
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/07/full-blown-scan.html
Representative Lofgren has issued letters to Secretaries Chertoff and Rice asking them to explain the behaviors of their departments.
http://lofgren.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1808
We hope that you would also demand answers from USCIS and DOS. We also hope that congress would pass legislation to ease the pains of the employment based greencard applicants, like SKILL bill.
I look forward to hearing from you, and will gladly post your response publicly to share with other employment-based greencard applicants.
USCIS and DOS played a cruel and gut-wrenching joke with the lives and feelings of hundreds of thousands of employment based greencard applicants.
At first, DOS announced that visa numbers were available for July 2007, and so all applicants could apply for Adjustment of Status.
Hundreds of thousands of applicants, with high hopes, went through hardships collecting documents and spent money in the month of June. People flew in their families from outside United States, and cancelled trips so that they could file for AOS.
However, on July 2nd, the first day that USCIS could accept the applications, DOS declared that the visas were unavailable, and USCIS announced that they would reject all applications.
How did this happen?
USCIS worked feverishly to issue greencards, so that it did not have to deal with the applications that were going to be filed in July. According to unconfirmed reports, USCIS gave out 18000 employment-based greencards in the last day of June. USCIS does not even succeed in giving out 140K employment-based greencards in any given year.
Please see this:
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
And this:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3879453.html
And this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/us/04visas.html?ex=1341201600&en=fbf9eb2e25eac42e&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg
It is being suggested, though it still remains to be confirmed, that USCIS actions were either illegal, or a lapse in national security.
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/07/full-blown-scan.html
Representative Lofgren has issued letters to Secretaries Chertoff and Rice asking them to explain the behaviors of their departments.
http://lofgren.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1808
We hope that you would also demand answers from USCIS and DOS. We also hope that congress would pass legislation to ease the pains of the employment based greencard applicants, like SKILL bill.
I look forward to hearing from you, and will gladly post your response publicly to share with other employment-based greencard applicants.
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Macaca
06-26 09:22 PM
But they don't know how many of these could be approved by end of this fiscal year and they don't want to loose visas as they have in past.
This is the reason they made all date current.
I also think that the main (= only) reason for dates becoming become current is that USCIS did not want to loose GCs as last year. This is a simple way of avoiding the waste.
A reason for the timing is the release time of the ombudsman report. No one would know about wasted GSs without ombudsman report.
This is the reason they made all date current.
I also think that the main (= only) reason for dates becoming become current is that USCIS did not want to loose GCs as last year. This is a simple way of avoiding the waste.
A reason for the timing is the release time of the ombudsman report. No one would know about wasted GSs without ombudsman report.
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vimalm
08-22 11:43 AM
Dear Samay
My wife's H1 COS is approved with a start date of Oct 1, 08. Due to a family emergency she needs to travel to India and stay there for extended period of time (well past Oct 1. Expecting to return back End of Nov). Currently she is on H4 with her H4 Visa stamp expired.
My question is can she come back on H1-B status at end of Nov? I understand that she will have to apply for H1-B visa stamping without paystubss in India and that can be very risky.
She needs to leave ASAP (once we receive the approval in hand). Can she leave prior to Oct 1 or does she have to wait till Oct 1 and then go in order for COS to take effect?
Your response is really appreciated.
My wife's H1 COS is approved with a start date of Oct 1, 08. Due to a family emergency she needs to travel to India and stay there for extended period of time (well past Oct 1. Expecting to return back End of Nov). Currently she is on H4 with her H4 Visa stamp expired.
My question is can she come back on H1-B status at end of Nov? I understand that she will have to apply for H1-B visa stamping without paystubss in India and that can be very risky.
She needs to leave ASAP (once we receive the approval in hand). Can she leave prior to Oct 1 or does she have to wait till Oct 1 and then go in order for COS to take effect?
Your response is really appreciated.
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dallasdude
05-29 03:50 PM
No one is arguing that lot of EB1Cs do not deserve the classification, however; that is not the root cause why we are backlogged. You might get 1000more visas , you would think but at the end of the day , you will close that gateway as well. 1000 EB1 visas are not a major relief for us. And if you think that will resolve the issue, you are mistaken.
There is a political decision to backdate the country dates and hence even if you take up Eb1 issue, they will close that line as well, but those visas will not translate into more visas for us. Bureaucrats can come up with gazillion excuses as to why spillover did not happen such as "there is now demand for religious workers".
So do not deviate the focus of the community. Our purpose is to get our GC, not stop someone else from getting a GC. Thinking otherwise mean , divisive and selfish mentality! or plain jealousy. Has anyone stopped you from working for Cognizant?
We need transparency and better predictability in the whole process. Someone said Oppenheim knows more than many of us. My question is why should we trust him? Shouldent there be a system that gives clear picture to everyone?
Bottomline is we need to choose our battles! EB1 is not the battle we need to fight right now.
Hope you're not one of the EB1 fellas. I understand your point, but we just cant ignore what these primitives are doing and abusing the EB1 category.
There is a political decision to backdate the country dates and hence even if you take up Eb1 issue, they will close that line as well, but those visas will not translate into more visas for us. Bureaucrats can come up with gazillion excuses as to why spillover did not happen such as "there is now demand for religious workers".
So do not deviate the focus of the community. Our purpose is to get our GC, not stop someone else from getting a GC. Thinking otherwise mean , divisive and selfish mentality! or plain jealousy. Has anyone stopped you from working for Cognizant?
We need transparency and better predictability in the whole process. Someone said Oppenheim knows more than many of us. My question is why should we trust him? Shouldent there be a system that gives clear picture to everyone?
Bottomline is we need to choose our battles! EB1 is not the battle we need to fight right now.
Hope you're not one of the EB1 fellas. I understand your point, but we just cant ignore what these primitives are doing and abusing the EB1 category.
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485Mbe4001
09-23 01:20 PM
Leave it to us 'Skilled' folks to shred an idea before implementing it. What is the harm in mailing out a letter. We tend to focus on bringing out the negatives and keep discussing issues till the train passes us by.
The bailout plan is a short window of opportunity, what is wrong in sending out some emails, we are not the only ones doing this there are hundreds of organizations trying to get their word in edgewise.
(I for one am even willing to write a proposal to 'buy' a GC, if EB applicant is waiting for more than 5 yrs since his/her PD, they can pay 10-15 grand to fast track application irrespective of the fact that the PD is current or not. USCIS stands to make 2 billion. I prefer paying 10k to uscis instead of the yearly drain towards my lawyers SLK.)
Anyways the point i am trying to make is that for this particular issue send out the letter, ask others to do the same and then discuss the merits of the letter. As the moderator mentions the window of opportunity is very small. Since you will be sending out your own letters, you can include any text to include current home owners or include only US educated or only EB 2 I etc ;)
well said sayantan..
This whole idea of linking GC to probable purchasing homes..is insane!
it stops short of black mailing...
The bailout plan is a short window of opportunity, what is wrong in sending out some emails, we are not the only ones doing this there are hundreds of organizations trying to get their word in edgewise.
(I for one am even willing to write a proposal to 'buy' a GC, if EB applicant is waiting for more than 5 yrs since his/her PD, they can pay 10-15 grand to fast track application irrespective of the fact that the PD is current or not. USCIS stands to make 2 billion. I prefer paying 10k to uscis instead of the yearly drain towards my lawyers SLK.)
Anyways the point i am trying to make is that for this particular issue send out the letter, ask others to do the same and then discuss the merits of the letter. As the moderator mentions the window of opportunity is very small. Since you will be sending out your own letters, you can include any text to include current home owners or include only US educated or only EB 2 I etc ;)
well said sayantan..
This whole idea of linking GC to probable purchasing homes..is insane!
it stops short of black mailing...
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eb2_mumbai
09-28 10:48 AM
I have a few questions of guru's on this forum.
What made USCIS change the rules of spill over from EB3 to EB2. We all know that rules changed in 2007 but I am not sure what prompted USCIS to make the change was it AILA or IV or just internal USCIS review?
The reason I ask this question is when I was looking at the EB3 thread there were lots of people especially with PD between 2001 & 2004 who feel they can start a campaign to revert this spill over decision to pre 2007 criteria. I am neither opposing them nor supporting them but I want to understand the reasons the changes were made.
At this moment I feel their appeal is more at emotional level rather than having a sound resoning. Its like we are waiting since 8 years so please assign us these spillover numbers. But I do not feel that will cut ice with CIS. We need to work for visa recapture but till this spilover thing is put to rest no one will concentrate on recapture
What made USCIS change the rules of spill over from EB3 to EB2. We all know that rules changed in 2007 but I am not sure what prompted USCIS to make the change was it AILA or IV or just internal USCIS review?
The reason I ask this question is when I was looking at the EB3 thread there were lots of people especially with PD between 2001 & 2004 who feel they can start a campaign to revert this spill over decision to pre 2007 criteria. I am neither opposing them nor supporting them but I want to understand the reasons the changes were made.
At this moment I feel their appeal is more at emotional level rather than having a sound resoning. Its like we are waiting since 8 years so please assign us these spillover numbers. But I do not feel that will cut ice with CIS. We need to work for visa recapture but till this spilover thing is put to rest no one will concentrate on recapture
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gopinathan
07-28 10:28 AM
I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average yearly income is only $115/year :)
you people are fighting for two totally different reasons
(1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.
(2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).
how do you advertise your product/site ?????
when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.
this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.
most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??
to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p
to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)
all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
you people are fighting for two totally different reasons
(1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.
(2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).
how do you advertise your product/site ?????
when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.
this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.
most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??
to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p
to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)
all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
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eastindia
07-26 02:18 PM
I have been to just one of their meetings in bay area and found it to be a bit childish and full of fake people, people trying hard to portray themselve to be your best friend when in reality they are not
It is a selfish world and nobody is your true or best friend. Amway or no Amway.
It is a selfish world and nobody is your true or best friend. Amway or no Amway.
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gc28262
01-16 06:48 PM
Thanks for the post. Is there such a requirement when there is a renewal of H1B ?
There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.
NB: I am not a specialist in law
There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.
NB: I am not a specialist in law
chanduv23
09-04 10:35 PM
This MF doesn't even have minimum decency to just leave alone a Dead Man.
Want to see his saint deeds on IV.....Look for handle "CHANDUV23" handle history.
1..) This MF has been preaching about faking Resumes in his old posts
2.) He suggested faking Exp letter to someone in trouble...
3.) He openly has shown someones full name using his Admin previledges
Look for all of "CHANDUV23" posts
Want to see him...search for him in UTUBE. Search for "CHANDUV23"
God knows what kind of idiots are given this kind of responsibility as Admin....
U r insane. U r assuming stuff and spewing venom. U like googling people's ids ehhh and that is ur passtime.
And for your kind information - I am not an admin, nor do I have any previliges. I can always write what I want, if IV thinks that I must not write something, they let me know. I do not have to come on multiple IDs like some of you do.
For those who are angry with me - send me an email or post me a private message as to why you are all so angry with me.
Want to see his saint deeds on IV.....Look for handle "CHANDUV23" handle history.
1..) This MF has been preaching about faking Resumes in his old posts
2.) He suggested faking Exp letter to someone in trouble...
3.) He openly has shown someones full name using his Admin previledges
Look for all of "CHANDUV23" posts
Want to see him...search for him in UTUBE. Search for "CHANDUV23"
God knows what kind of idiots are given this kind of responsibility as Admin....
U r insane. U r assuming stuff and spewing venom. U like googling people's ids ehhh and that is ur passtime.
And for your kind information - I am not an admin, nor do I have any previliges. I can always write what I want, if IV thinks that I must not write something, they let me know. I do not have to come on multiple IDs like some of you do.
For those who are angry with me - send me an email or post me a private message as to why you are all so angry with me.
dilber
07-29 02:21 PM
It seems they are accounted separately in these Appointment schedule sheets, there are multiple entries for same "BMB CASE NUMBER" which I assume is one per primary applicant. So I think the dependents are accounted for in the 100 number that i.e. being projected.
In any case even if it is not it will move up to what 220 (assuming 2.2 people per primary applicant) it will still be a very small part of 20000+ odd visa that are being projected in this thread. I think the idea being circulated by the Ron and Murtys of this world that DOL pushed out the dates to get CP to use up the numbers that USCIS is incapable or unwilling to use seems to go down the drain I don't think DOL cares about 100 odd visas that much.:)
In any case even if it is not it will move up to what 220 (assuming 2.2 people per primary applicant) it will still be a very small part of 20000+ odd visa that are being projected in this thread. I think the idea being circulated by the Ron and Murtys of this world that DOL pushed out the dates to get CP to use up the numbers that USCIS is incapable or unwilling to use seems to go down the drain I don't think DOL cares about 100 odd visas that much.:)
