theOne
05-15 12:03 AM
Yes you are right. We need patience till you get your GC...I know its hard but there is no other way but swallow that pride. Its very hard to do that..speaking of which this anti-indian guy who sits next to me at work was making life horrible for few weeks. Things are sorted out now... I have a great Manager.
I really feel sorry for Neelima's family... wish I could have helped them.
Khushal,
Can you explain how you sorted the issue ? I had a similar issue once though on a lower scale. I let it simmer down without actively working the issue.
theOne
I really feel sorry for Neelima's family... wish I could have helped them.
Khushal,
Can you explain how you sorted the issue ? I had a similar issue once though on a lower scale. I let it simmer down without actively working the issue.
theOne
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ItIsNotFunny
01-15 03:00 PM
I have been thinking for a long time to own a gun but due to my H-1B status could'nt own one. My I-140 was approved last year and now I am working on EAD.
I am wondering if anybody else in a similar situation purchased a gun; I mean after he/she started working using EAD. I tried to research the issue but the law is not clear on the subject.
whome do you want to kill buddy?
I am wondering if anybody else in a similar situation purchased a gun; I mean after he/she started working using EAD. I tried to research the issue but the law is not clear on the subject.
whome do you want to kill buddy?
ssingh92
03-15 10:44 AM
Thanks xlr8r!! I am filing today. Dont have I140 receipt number.
Did your luck shine !!!!
Did your luck shine !!!!
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bkarnik
11-02 02:24 PM
Thank you very much for all the response. I waited for responses from different places so I could determnine if it is a Nationwide policy as what the Colorado was saying.
I am from Colorado and I think Colorado is one of the strickest states in the US whatever.
It looks like from responses that only Colorado has so far adhered to this new policy.
I have 4 friends who currently cannot drive because their licenses have expired and they are waiting for MVI's (Motor Vehicle Investigative Unit) letter. Until such letter is issued, you cannot renew your license (in Colorado). According to MVI Here, it will take to 5-7 days, but if there is a problem, it will take up to 9 weeks.
Really rediculous procedure and I agree with everyone.
Just in case anyone there is in the same predicament, please share your story and the resolution.
What we are seeing here is the uneven implementation of the REAL ID act passed by Congress last year. The act gives upto December 2006 or March 2008 (I am not sure which) for all states to have an uniform process in issuing DLs. Essentially, what it means that once the act is fully in place, no one, be it an American citizen or a immigrant can get a DL on the spot. They will take your SS no and other documents (i am not sure about what they actually require) and run it against the USCIS database to confirm your legality. It might take upto a week or a month to get your permit in the mail. The act also puts a limit on the maximum validity of a DL which cannot be more than the date on your visa. In the meantime, I guess they will be issuing you with a paper permit allowing you to drive. It all sounds nice and hunky dory to read but the problems are numerous. First off, the entire onus of funding this federal mandate is put on the States. Many states have already lodged their protests against this requirement as it will mean them having to increase the fees significantly. Secondly, the act assumes that the SS database and the USCIS database is up to date and has no flaws. Thirdly, it assumes that the chcks against the databases will have a fairly quick turnaround time. We all know how laughable these assumptions are (FBI FP check victims will appreciate this).
The REAL ID act is another of those great ideas that have been rammed down the throats of the American public without suffficient debate similar to the HR 6061 that was passed by the house leading to the whole CIR fiasco.
Hopefully, as time goes by saner minds will prevail and the act will either be repelled or modified to make it easier for genuine people to get the DL quickly. In the meantime, get prepared to face another bureaucratic and government created retrogression :(
I am from Colorado and I think Colorado is one of the strickest states in the US whatever.
It looks like from responses that only Colorado has so far adhered to this new policy.
I have 4 friends who currently cannot drive because their licenses have expired and they are waiting for MVI's (Motor Vehicle Investigative Unit) letter. Until such letter is issued, you cannot renew your license (in Colorado). According to MVI Here, it will take to 5-7 days, but if there is a problem, it will take up to 9 weeks.
Really rediculous procedure and I agree with everyone.
Just in case anyone there is in the same predicament, please share your story and the resolution.
What we are seeing here is the uneven implementation of the REAL ID act passed by Congress last year. The act gives upto December 2006 or March 2008 (I am not sure which) for all states to have an uniform process in issuing DLs. Essentially, what it means that once the act is fully in place, no one, be it an American citizen or a immigrant can get a DL on the spot. They will take your SS no and other documents (i am not sure about what they actually require) and run it against the USCIS database to confirm your legality. It might take upto a week or a month to get your permit in the mail. The act also puts a limit on the maximum validity of a DL which cannot be more than the date on your visa. In the meantime, I guess they will be issuing you with a paper permit allowing you to drive. It all sounds nice and hunky dory to read but the problems are numerous. First off, the entire onus of funding this federal mandate is put on the States. Many states have already lodged their protests against this requirement as it will mean them having to increase the fees significantly. Secondly, the act assumes that the SS database and the USCIS database is up to date and has no flaws. Thirdly, it assumes that the chcks against the databases will have a fairly quick turnaround time. We all know how laughable these assumptions are (FBI FP check victims will appreciate this).
The REAL ID act is another of those great ideas that have been rammed down the throats of the American public without suffficient debate similar to the HR 6061 that was passed by the house leading to the whole CIR fiasco.
Hopefully, as time goes by saner minds will prevail and the act will either be repelled or modified to make it easier for genuine people to get the DL quickly. In the meantime, get prepared to face another bureaucratic and government created retrogression :(
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hunkuncontrolled
04-02 11:24 AM
Not sure why you would generalize all H1b holders as experiencing hell - I for one did not. Anyways if you take the time to browse the forums you will find the answer to your question.
Malibuguy007 , you seem to me a guy who could save 2-3000 dollars per month and think you are in heaven(Typical GULTI mentality) . These are the points on basis of which i called life of H1 hell
1. Your spouse can't work . Think about their self esteem and self respect they are loosing.
2. You don't know about your future if tomorrow you loose your job , you will be kicked from this country.
Tell me what is hell then ? Don't think its just about counting dollars , think about your life stability and about your family members too. Try to come out of Sambhar-Rice world(thats the way you save money here and call US heaven). Live with pride ,ok . Fight for being treated like H1 ( HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONAL) not slaves.
I hope now you feel we are in hell.
PS : I work with one of best semiconductor companies in world and earn decent salary .
All GULTIs , start giving me red and i don't give a** for that.
Malibuguy007 , you seem to me a guy who could save 2-3000 dollars per month and think you are in heaven(Typical GULTI mentality) . These are the points on basis of which i called life of H1 hell
1. Your spouse can't work . Think about their self esteem and self respect they are loosing.
2. You don't know about your future if tomorrow you loose your job , you will be kicked from this country.
Tell me what is hell then ? Don't think its just about counting dollars , think about your life stability and about your family members too. Try to come out of Sambhar-Rice world(thats the way you save money here and call US heaven). Live with pride ,ok . Fight for being treated like H1 ( HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONAL) not slaves.
I hope now you feel we are in hell.
PS : I work with one of best semiconductor companies in world and earn decent salary .
All GULTIs , start giving me red and i don't give a** for that.
pointlesswait
02-23 11:37 AM
my dear.. pretentious pseudo middle class desi...
i know ppl like you...
you wear an armani to office but still carrying curd rice and pickel for lunch...
you rejoice the success of slumDOG..with your liberal friends...with a martini glass filled with water..in hand..because ur amma told u not to drink alcohaal..;)
according to u ...we are losers because we dont like being called a DOG in 21st century...
if you want to wag ur skinny brown ass ..eveytime SlumDOG is uttered..thats ur problem..
It took a richard attenborough to show case Gandhi and it took Danny Boyle to show case Rahman's talent. as simple as that.. people who cant rejoice at this moment are sore frigging losers. end of story. :D
i know ppl like you...
you wear an armani to office but still carrying curd rice and pickel for lunch...
you rejoice the success of slumDOG..with your liberal friends...with a martini glass filled with water..in hand..because ur amma told u not to drink alcohaal..;)
according to u ...we are losers because we dont like being called a DOG in 21st century...
if you want to wag ur skinny brown ass ..eveytime SlumDOG is uttered..thats ur problem..
It took a richard attenborough to show case Gandhi and it took Danny Boyle to show case Rahman's talent. as simple as that.. people who cant rejoice at this moment are sore frigging losers. end of story. :D
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21stIcon
02-19 04:35 PM
Not that you know , you should have bought it before or you should have done through research before wasting others time.
I have 7 polices with LIC in India, One 700k term life with prudential and 300k whole life for my wife, but whole life in US Prudential is bad experience with one of well known company then done research on this topic. Whole life insurance policy all over the world has surrender charges(including LIC in India). you would not get full benefit if you do not complete 10/20/30 years term on your policy,you would get part of your money and loosing a lot.
I have 7 polices with LIC in India, One 700k term life with prudential and 300k whole life for my wife, but whole life in US Prudential is bad experience with one of well known company then done research on this topic. Whole life insurance policy all over the world has surrender charges(including LIC in India). you would not get full benefit if you do not complete 10/20/30 years term on your policy,you would get part of your money and loosing a lot.
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apnair2002
11-10 01:46 PM
http://www.immigration-law.com/
Report indicates that the Lame Duck may pass through the Thanksgiving. However, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid reported spoke with Majority Leader Bill First, Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, and President Bursh on Wednesday addressing Democrats desire to accomplish 5 (five) legislative items during the lame duck as follows:
Continuing Resolution
Bioterror Legislation
Off-Shore Drill Legislation
Agreement on Nuclear Weapons Proliferation
Popular Tax Cuts Package
Should the Democrats stick to these agenda, the immigration legislation will have to be pushed over to next yeer. For the report, please click here.
Report indicates that the Lame Duck may pass through the Thanksgiving. However, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid reported spoke with Majority Leader Bill First, Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, and President Bursh on Wednesday addressing Democrats desire to accomplish 5 (five) legislative items during the lame duck as follows:
Continuing Resolution
Bioterror Legislation
Off-Shore Drill Legislation
Agreement on Nuclear Weapons Proliferation
Popular Tax Cuts Package
Should the Democrats stick to these agenda, the immigration legislation will have to be pushed over to next yeer. For the report, please click here.
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alterego
12-17 05:28 PM
With all due respect, the probelem I have with volunteers is that I don't think amtures can pull a job this big, you've got to have profesionals, somethng like a compain maneger.
I admire the courage of your guys, and think the goal is fantastic. But the way it goes, I don't see how it can be achieved.
I've learned a great deal about immigration from the forum here. I very much appreciate it. I try to give back by answering questions others may have. I think IV has been doing a great job serving as that capacity.
But you guys want do something bigger. Well, you have faith in it, I don't, at least not now, neither many others. Maybe that is why you are still asking for money and volunteers.
Why the negativity?
What many people fail to see is that it is not IV core, or a manager or something that will get us out of this, it is OUR COLLECTIVE actions. The results will be directly proportional to what we put in.
Whether you help this effort in any way is about individual responsibility. If you are unwilling to do anything, and there are many ways to contribute and all and any of these are welcome, then frankly, your interest in this advocacy has to be questioned.
I admire the courage of your guys, and think the goal is fantastic. But the way it goes, I don't see how it can be achieved.
I've learned a great deal about immigration from the forum here. I very much appreciate it. I try to give back by answering questions others may have. I think IV has been doing a great job serving as that capacity.
But you guys want do something bigger. Well, you have faith in it, I don't, at least not now, neither many others. Maybe that is why you are still asking for money and volunteers.
Why the negativity?
What many people fail to see is that it is not IV core, or a manager or something that will get us out of this, it is OUR COLLECTIVE actions. The results will be directly proportional to what we put in.
Whether you help this effort in any way is about individual responsibility. If you are unwilling to do anything, and there are many ways to contribute and all and any of these are welcome, then frankly, your interest in this advocacy has to be questioned.
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dummgelauft
06-30 10:42 AM
To put out a fire and to prevent it from happening again you need two things:
(1) Take the fuel away
(2) Take the Oxygen away
(3) Make sure you don't have any sparks flying around.
Immigration reform, whether for legals or illegals, needs massive support from the American people. Most of the people are in no mood to support a "reform" unless the president can stem the flow at the border.
To able to get any kind of immigration relief legislaton through, the president needs to work hard and quick at sealing the border shut. Time and again "the other side" has laid this as a pre-requisite to any immigration related dialogue.
I don't know why this is so hard to do. The border is there for a reason and it is the Federal government's responsibility to maintian its integrity, whatever it takes, National Guard, drones, US Army..whatever.
That being said, don't read too much into this "Thursday speech by the president". It is lip service, or as go_guy pointed out...political posturing.
P.S: Admin, deleting my posts will NOT get you your green card sooner.
(1) Take the fuel away
(2) Take the Oxygen away
(3) Make sure you don't have any sparks flying around.
Immigration reform, whether for legals or illegals, needs massive support from the American people. Most of the people are in no mood to support a "reform" unless the president can stem the flow at the border.
To able to get any kind of immigration relief legislaton through, the president needs to work hard and quick at sealing the border shut. Time and again "the other side" has laid this as a pre-requisite to any immigration related dialogue.
I don't know why this is so hard to do. The border is there for a reason and it is the Federal government's responsibility to maintian its integrity, whatever it takes, National Guard, drones, US Army..whatever.
That being said, don't read too much into this "Thursday speech by the president". It is lip service, or as go_guy pointed out...political posturing.
P.S: Admin, deleting my posts will NOT get you your green card sooner.
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Keeme
06-03 10:24 AM
Follow the Senate judiciary committee Hearing on this link:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=3876
Somebody please post the live updates.
Shirley Tan
Pacifica, CA
Gordon Stewart
London, England
Julian Bond
Chairman
National Board of Directors
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Washington, DC
Christopher Nugent
Co-Chair
Committee on the Rights of Immigrants
Section of Individual Rights and Responsibilities
American Bar Association
Washington, DC
Roy Beck
President
NumbersUSA Education & Research Foundation
Arlington, VA
Jessica M. Vaughan
Director, Policy Studies
Center for Immigration Studies
Franklin, MA
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=3876
Somebody please post the live updates.
Shirley Tan
Pacifica, CA
Gordon Stewart
London, England
Julian Bond
Chairman
National Board of Directors
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Washington, DC
Christopher Nugent
Co-Chair
Committee on the Rights of Immigrants
Section of Individual Rights and Responsibilities
American Bar Association
Washington, DC
Roy Beck
President
NumbersUSA Education & Research Foundation
Arlington, VA
Jessica M. Vaughan
Director, Policy Studies
Center for Immigration Studies
Franklin, MA
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pappu
03-10 03:24 PM
Too late.
EB3I dropped out of school already!
Or watching cricket matches during exam time. :)
EB3 folks need to be the most worried people if they do not have Greencards. Unless there is any sense of desperation and expressed need, do not expect any lawmaker to vote for any greencard bill .
EB3I dropped out of school already!
Or watching cricket matches during exam time. :)
EB3 folks need to be the most worried people if they do not have Greencards. Unless there is any sense of desperation and expressed need, do not expect any lawmaker to vote for any greencard bill .
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mikesin
04-07 06:58 PM
Thanks illusions. I hope that there will be some movement but then again we are talking about USCIS here!! :confused:
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chanduv23
04-08 02:01 PM
We all admit, the we haven't served our birth land as much as we have served America. Maybe there is calling here amongst all the turmoil with getting GCs.
Our home country wants us back. I know we have huge issues back in India. Population, Politician :-) etc etc.
U r funny. Just because H1b is being made tough, you want to serve your country, so if you get a Green Card will you not server your country? :D :D :D
Our home country wants us back. I know we have huge issues back in India. Population, Politician :-) etc etc.
U r funny. Just because H1b is being made tough, you want to serve your country, so if you get a Green Card will you not server your country? :D :D :D
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Jaime
09-22 10:44 PM
Hi gsc999.. It was nice talking to you in DC..
The reason I suggested sending in our credentials is beacuse the key in reverse brain drain is also "brain" along with "drain".
If we send in our credentials wrapped along with a stopper it will show them what they are going to loose.
Even to hard core right wingers it will show them that even if they neglect the human factor they cannot neglect the intellectual factor..
Definitely! Totally sets us apart from illegals. (And a few people have asked me why I "bash" illegals. I really do not. They have their cause and we respect them like we should respect every other human being. We simply should not be lumped in with their cause, because we are opposites, and because that has been what has affected us so much)
We need to finally break the chains and differentiate ourselves from illegals. If the government won't give us our rightful place as respected legals, we need to go take that place, because it's ours! Otherwise we will continue to be bullied by Loo Dobbs and company, and we will continue to be victimized by the apathy and politicking of Congress!!!
The reason I suggested sending in our credentials is beacuse the key in reverse brain drain is also "brain" along with "drain".
If we send in our credentials wrapped along with a stopper it will show them what they are going to loose.
Even to hard core right wingers it will show them that even if they neglect the human factor they cannot neglect the intellectual factor..
Definitely! Totally sets us apart from illegals. (And a few people have asked me why I "bash" illegals. I really do not. They have their cause and we respect them like we should respect every other human being. We simply should not be lumped in with their cause, because we are opposites, and because that has been what has affected us so much)
We need to finally break the chains and differentiate ourselves from illegals. If the government won't give us our rightful place as respected legals, we need to go take that place, because it's ours! Otherwise we will continue to be bullied by Loo Dobbs and company, and we will continue to be victimized by the apathy and politicking of Congress!!!
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uslegals
12-06 04:51 PM
Here's what i can add - my ead too has been pending for 4 months now.!
I went in for a second infopass this morning (14 degrees F - 5 block walk from where i parked.! I almost had a facial nerve plasy from the biting cold!). Anyway after looking into her system - the IO told me that the A # on my 485 receipt has not been linked to the 765 & 131 applications.! So she was busy typing so stuf for like 2-3 mins and then said that since my 485 was filed intially and the 765 & 131 were sent in after a month or so - hence this generated a miscommunication between both these sets of applications.
So since the A# is not tagged to the EAD & AP applications in thier system - i guess it seems like i have not filed for the EAD & AP at all.! Makes sense.?? I guess..!!
Anyway she was kinda nice....she was like... don't worry...etc..the last thing she said after i said thanks was "good luck - hang in there"..Imagine that coming from USCIS IO..!! Lets wait and see now if at all there is any progress on my case.!
I went in for a second infopass this morning (14 degrees F - 5 block walk from where i parked.! I almost had a facial nerve plasy from the biting cold!). Anyway after looking into her system - the IO told me that the A # on my 485 receipt has not been linked to the 765 & 131 applications.! So she was busy typing so stuf for like 2-3 mins and then said that since my 485 was filed intially and the 765 & 131 were sent in after a month or so - hence this generated a miscommunication between both these sets of applications.
So since the A# is not tagged to the EAD & AP applications in thier system - i guess it seems like i have not filed for the EAD & AP at all.! Makes sense.?? I guess..!!
Anyway she was kinda nice....she was like... don't worry...etc..the last thing she said after i said thanks was "good luck - hang in there"..Imagine that coming from USCIS IO..!! Lets wait and see now if at all there is any progress on my case.!
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wellwishergc
01-18 08:10 AM
I was trying to donate some additional money. Got an error. Please check the error. I have also urged my colleagues to contribute.
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ganguteli
04-08 12:17 PM
See
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24331&page=2
and you want to jeopardise the hard work just so that you get $25 worth. I think core team is wise not to get influenced by annonymous rants, management preachings and demands for transparency and management ethics.
You need to first preach to your employer that is exploiting you and the lawyer who is charging you so much and yet you do not have a green card.
Core, please do not listen to these people and do what is the right thing in the interest of everyone. Do not try to satisfy a few nuts who do not know what they are saying.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24331&page=2
and you want to jeopardise the hard work just so that you get $25 worth. I think core team is wise not to get influenced by annonymous rants, management preachings and demands for transparency and management ethics.
You need to first preach to your employer that is exploiting you and the lawyer who is charging you so much and yet you do not have a green card.
Core, please do not listen to these people and do what is the right thing in the interest of everyone. Do not try to satisfy a few nuts who do not know what they are saying.
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poorslumdog
03-17 10:43 PM
I am glad that some EB2 guys can empathise with us....EB3(I) is completely hopeless....but I doubt if IV will take this up...even a small admin fix like applying the spillover to EB3 this year...that will take away some stress on the EB3(I) pipeline....
No matter whether you are in EB2 or EB3, if you lose job then you are going back to stone age. So we are all in the same boat. The only hope is to fix the leak.
No matter whether you are in EB2 or EB3, if you lose job then you are going back to stone age. So we are all in the same boat. The only hope is to fix the leak.
walking_dude
12-12 10:52 AM
I always cleaned my room, in India and here. What's wrong with that? Infosys founder Narayan Murthy cleans his own toilet (as per his own admission to a newspaper). Does it make him an 'inferior' person to you? Don't you vacuum your room every weekend? Does that make you any lesser person? Ever heard of dignity of labor?
You wrote - "Humans, listen, life is not 1000 years, it is very short, dont waste the best part of your life waiting for gc". So what are you doing ? Not waiting for GC? Then why are you hanging around? There are good opportunities back home . Those sitting in deep-sh*t shouldn't be throwing muck at others stuck in the same sh*t.
I am sure most of us here (especially from India) were pampered and did not even clean their own study desks or rooms of their house when they were young, now they are ready to sweep the roads of a foreign country to get the foreign government attention to get their gc :)
Humans, listen, life is not 1000 years, it is very short, dont waste the best part of your life waiting for gc.
You wrote - "Humans, listen, life is not 1000 years, it is very short, dont waste the best part of your life waiting for gc". So what are you doing ? Not waiting for GC? Then why are you hanging around? There are good opportunities back home . Those sitting in deep-sh*t shouldn't be throwing muck at others stuck in the same sh*t.
I am sure most of us here (especially from India) were pampered and did not even clean their own study desks or rooms of their house when they were young, now they are ready to sweep the roads of a foreign country to get the foreign government attention to get their gc :)
Humans, listen, life is not 1000 years, it is very short, dont waste the best part of your life waiting for gc.
485_se_dukhi
09-22 07:44 PM
In trying to play the "devil's advocate", you still did not answer my question. i.e. "Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?"
i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........
I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?
unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.
You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.
if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??
Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.
My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).
Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........
I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?
unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.
You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.
if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??
Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.
My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).
Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
